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Friday, December 10, 2010

3188) Istanbul Gomidas Concert 2010 / Armenian Architects of Istanbul in the Era of Westernization

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Gomidas © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com Gomidas © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com Kütahya-born Armenian musician Gomidas Vartabed commemorated on his 140th birthday throughout Armenia, the diaspora and Turkey. Thursday’s free concert presented the Kusan 2010 Choir’s rendition of the great composer’s ‘Badarak’ (Divine Liturgy)

The Kusen 2010 Choir performed a concert to commemorate a milestone in Armenian music, the birth of Gomidas Vartabed.

Groups in both Turkey and Armenia hold a series of free concerts to mark the 140th birthday of Kütahya-born Gomidas Vartabed, who is widely recognized as the father of modern Armenian classical music.
2010 Concert Video not available yet. Here's a short clip from 2007 Concert, Istanbul Lutfi Kirdar
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“We want to commemorate Gomidas in the land where he was born,” said Istanbul University Radio and Television Department student Sayat Dagliyan, 23, who helped form the Gomidas Platform.

The commemoratory “Gomidas Liturgical Music” concerts, which were made possible by a grant from the Istanbul 2010 European Capital of Culture Agency, will be held Thursday at 9 p.m. at the Surp Yerortutyum Armenian Church (Üç Horan Armenian Church) in Beyoglu’s Balikpazari and on Nov. 26 at Istanbul Kültür University’s Akingüç Oditorium free of charge.

The music performed by the Kusan 2010 Choir, the descendent of the original Kusan Choir that Vartabed formed himself over a century ago, and will be conducted by two Armenian maestros, including the conductor of Istanbul’s Lusavoriç Armenian Choir, Hagop Mamgonyan, and the conductor of the Karasunmangazs Armenian Choir, Edvin Galipoglu.

Mamigonyan said the Kusan 2010 Choir would perform a capella and be composed only of men, as it was in the past.

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Galipoglu, meanwhile, said the choir members were made up of 30 amateurs from different age groups that were all educated in Istanbul’s Armenian choirs.

The choir performed Vartabed’s polyphonic “Badarak” (Divine Liturgy), which the maestro composed for the Armenian Apostolic Church but was not completed until its notation by his student in 1933 in Paris.

Turkish and Armenian youth together

One of the founding members of the Gomidas Platform, Sona Mentese, said realizing the project was akin to making a dream come true.
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“We learned that the 2010 Istanbul Agency invited an orchestra from Armenia for Gomidas’ birthday but the orchestra was unable to come. Later, we presented the project and it was accepted. We thank the agency on behalf of Istanbul’s Armenians,” Mentese said.

At the end of last year Dagliyan made a short film on Vartabed, titled “Incu/Neden.” With the other members of the platform, he has been organizing the “Blind Photographers Project” since the beginning of the year for the performance of Vartabed’s works.

There are also young Turkish people among the team members. “We experience the pleasure of doing something together,” Dagliyan said. “In this way, we share the universal language of music and love like Gomidas showed us.”

Mamigonyan and Galipoglu said they had accelerated their rehearsals since August.

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Noting that there had been disagreements among Armenian choirs, Mamigonyan said: “Some did not believe us that we would be able to make it properly. But we, a handful people, wanted to give life to Vartabed again.”

Galipoglu agreed with Mamigonyan and said the Armenian Patriarchate had provided great support to them.

Istanbul’s Armenians, who have closed themselves in the past because of their small numbers and a variety of other problems, have increasingly started to engage with the wider society. “It is true that we have opened to society in the cultural field. Some of our members are interested in politics, too,” said platform member Misak Hergel. “But the assassination of [Armenian-Turkish journalist] Hrant Dink discouraged us.”

Ethnomusicologist, composer and maestro Gomidas Vartabed was born in the Aegean province of Kütahya, which is famous for its tiles, in the middle of the 1800s. Born Sogomon Sogomonyan, Vartabed (which means priest) was an orphan and was sent to the Armenian Apostolic Central Church in Armenia to receive a religious education.

Later, he studied music at Berlin University and organized important conferences there. He is especially known for researching Armenian, Anatolian and Transcaucasian music, as well as Turkish, Kurdish, Azeri and Iranian musical forms.

When he recorded Armenian religious music at the beginning of 1900s, he had problems with Etchmiadzin and the Turkish Armenian Patriarchate.

He was also one of 230 Armenian intellectuals who were arrested in Istanbul and deported on April 24, 1915. After witnessing the murder of a number of friends during the deportation, Vartabed lost his mental health. He died in 1935 in Paris.

Text used from Hürriyet Daily News November 2010, VERCIHAN ZIFLIOGLU, ISTANBUL


Armenian Architects of Istanbul in the Era of Westernization

Last night, Istanbul Modern Museum was host to the Armenian-Turkish community and an exhibition on Armenian Architects of Istanbul. This event must have been an afterthought as it was not in the published list of exhibitions for December 2010, the final month of the 2010 Istanbul European Capıital of Culture Program and was held in the entrance hall and cocktails were served in the area beneath the hanging books at the Istanbul Modern Museum, where an exhibition by Kutlug Ataman is also taking place. I attended the opening ceremonies and viewed 100 large photographs of works by 40 Armenian architects with an architect friend, Beyhan Turer, who used to work in the States and was one of the founding members of the Society of Turkish-American Architects, Engineers and Scientists, in April 1970, which is celebrating its 40th anniversary this year.

The exhibition was evidently organized by the Hrant Dink Foundation and the Istanbul 2010 European Capital of Culture Agency. I believe it is a useful exhibition although crammed in a small area, which made it difficult to view the excellent photographs. Many buildings that we see around Istanbul were designed by Armenian Turkish architects, from palaces to mosques to villas, all wonderful buildings, even a dam and many towers and the entrance to Dolmabahce Palace and the Palace itself...

There were also two short video on the subject matter. A book featuring articles on the architects and architecture of the period and the photographs of buildings included in the exhibition is also available (60 TL.) In addition, within the scope of the exhibition, a panel on ''The Armenian Architects of Istanbul'' will be presented on December 14.

Several people spoke including Rachel Dink, wife of the late Hrant Dink who was murdered 3 years ago, first in Turkish than in Armenian. However, an earlier speaker mentioned the tragedy and stated that they will never forget, which I thought was inappropriate. Everyone was there, Cengiz Aktar, Cengiz Candar, many Armenian authors and writers, President of Istanbul Modern Mrs. Eczacıbası and many others.

An Armenian who was wearing a hat complained about several things, stating that may be 10 of the attendees numbering 300 were true.. In fact I never saw an opening with so many people before..

Yuksel Oktay


Istanbul’s Armenian Architects Remembered In Exhibition
December 9, 2010, ISTANBUL - AA

Armenian architects, who have built many well-known structures in Istanbul, are remembered in an exhibition that opened Wednesday at the Istanbul Modern. The exhibition displays photos of 100 buildings constructed by 40 Armenian architects who lived in Istanbul in the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century

The exhibition at the Istanbul Modern, displaying photos of Istanbul's well-known structures constructed by Armenian architects, also sheds light on the city's recent history.

An exhibition titled “Armenian Architects of Istanbul in the Era of Westernization,” featuring photos of 100 buildings constructed by 40 Armenian architects who lived in Istanbul at the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, opened Wednesday at the Istanbul Modern.

The exhibition is organized in collaboration with the Istanbul 2010 European Capital of Culture Agency, Istanbul Modern, International Hrant Dink Foundation and Architects and Engineers Solidarity Association, or HAYCAR.

At a press conference for the opening of the exhibition, chief curator Levent Çalikoglu said the exhibition featured more than 100 works by 40 Armenian architects whose names had been forgotten, adding that the educational event would also shed light on Istanbul’s recent history. Çalikoglu said architect Hasan Kuruyazici visually documented the buildings on every street in Kurtulus, Pangalti, Taksim, Cihangir, Tarlabasi, Tünel, Galata, Eminönü and Mahmutpasa.

“There will also be two short films screened during the exhibition and visitors will learn about the buildings thanks to the sound system in the exhibition area. In parallel with the exhibition, designed by Erkal Levi, a panel discussion on Istanbul’s Armenian architects will be organized and visitors will see the buildings accompanied by guides.”

Istanbul Capital of Culture Agency Deputy Secretary-General Mehmet Gürkan said the modernization period that started during the Tanzimat reform era brought innovations in cultural fields and resulted in changes to physical structures. He said settlement areas were also developed during that period and the city needed architects.

Gürkan said Armenian architects made many works during that period. “Among the ones working for the palace, the Balyan brothers left their mark on many structures including the Çiragan, Beylerbeyi and Dolmabahçe palaces.”

Raising awareness

Speaking on behalf of the Hrant Dink Foundation, Sibel Asna said the exhibition reminded Istanbul residents of forgotten Armenian architects and their structures, and had a mission to raise awareness about the protection of those structures that are creating the silhouette of the city.

Asna said a book prepared within the scope of the exhibition, city tours and conferences would also contribute to the issue. She said many renowned structures like Kuleli Military School, Harbiye Military Museum, the Ortaköy Mosque, Büyükada Port, Beyazit Tower and Kadiköy Süreyya Theater were built by Armenian architects.

The curator of the exhibition, Hasan Kuruyazici, said they attached importance to visual features of the exhibition during the preparation process. He said he carried out a 15-year study about the works of Armenian architects in Istanbul and the photography took one year.

The exhibition will run until Jan. 2. Hurriyet


Armenian Architects To Be Immortalized In New Book, Exhibition
07 July 2010, / TODAY’S ZAMAN
Curiosity, as the proverb goes, might kill the cat, but more often than not, it yields pleasant results. The curiosity in architect Hasan Kuruyazici has done just that -- in the form of a book project.

Curious about the architects of awe-inspiring old buildings in Istanbul’s historic quarters such as Galata, Cihangir and Tarlabasi, Kuruyazici set out to document the contributions Armenian architects of Istanbul made to the city’s urban landscape. The outcome is a book and exhibition project, titled “Armenian Architects of Istanbul and Their Contributions in Istanbul’s Architecture.”

The project, which is co-financed by the Istanbul-based Hrant Dink Foundation and HAYCAR, a solidarity group of Turkish architects and civil engineers, seeks to highlight the role of forgotten Armenian architects in shaping Istanbul’s urban architecture during the 19th and 20th centuries.

The project will conclude in November with the publication of the book and a parallel exhibition, both coming as part of the Istanbul 2010 European Capital of Culture program.

Having conducted a similar project earlier with Greek architects in Istanbul, Kuruyazici describes the motive behind his study. “Today there is a huge stock of buildings dating from the 19th century [in Istanbul]. Although many of them had been ravaged, these are ones that managed to survive. The question of ‘Who built all these buildings?’ has brought me to conduct such research,” he said.

The list of architects Kuruyazici came up with after long trips around the streets of Kurtulus-Tatavla, Pangalti, Taksim, Cihangir, Tarlabasi, Tünel, Galata, Eminönü and Mahmutpasa will be mentioned in the upcoming exhibition and book.

The Hrant Dink Foundation says work is still under way to uncover information about Armenian architects in Istanbul and their works, particularly the life stories of those who lived and built in Istanbul in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
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Thursday, December 9, 2010

3187) Video: Robert Fisk: COMPELLED TO LIE (for Armenians)

Posted on 5:00 PM by Unknown
Updatedrobert fisk compelled to lie © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com Checking the facts on the way British journalist Robert Fisk attempts to validate what is strangely one of his greatest passions, the Armenian genocide claim. Three Fisk videos admiringly prepared by similarly unquestioning Armenians are examined

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Robert Fisk: Compelled To Lie
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The British journalist Robert Fisk has had an odd preoccupation with what is called the "Armenian Genocide,"

He has written many articles on the topic over the years.

One wonders why, when there are so many other historical examples of inhumanity.

Regardless of his peculiar motivation, the striking thing about Fisk is that steering from the truth - as long as genocide gets affirmed - is perfectly all right with him.

It is as though he feels compelled to lie.

(And/or to use information he must know is corrupt)

Three Fisk videos admiringly prepared by Armenians on YouTube will be examined.

The Boston Globe has traditionally been very pro-Armenian, given the Armenian concentration in Massachusetts.)

Are newspaper articles written by biased journalists like Fisk, and based on hearsay reports, supposed to substitute for history?

The Western media was always deeply prejudiced against Turks.

Add to this the British making certain their war propaganda would get exclusive coverage in the USA.

They did this by cutting the cable from Germany, and operating a branch of Wellington House - British propaganda division - on US soil.)

The New York Times itself wrote that since journalists were disallowed in the affected areas " reports from these are Altogether Unreliable. (October 10, 1915)

(But journalists preferred to cover the safer and more glamorous war in the west, at Gallipoli. The few honorable others serving as firsthand witnesses in the east, like George Schreiner, concluded there was No Genocide.)

"The Turks say it's fake."

Is he telling us that whatever Turks say must be dismissed, perhaps because Turks are evil Nazis?

Meanwhile, here is how Robert Fisk expects us to believe that the article is legitimate:

In other words, because he has "seen" the whole article, that is his criteria for determining authenticity?

If that is the case, now we can all see it.

Here is the infamous Ataturk "interview" from the Los Angeles Examiner of August 1, 1926:

The main subject of the article is a 1926 assassination plot against Ataturk.

The informant was a boatman who was to later whisk the assassins away to Greece

But the article supposedly written by Ataturk, tells us the informant was ...

a WOMAN !

But there are many other signs telling us what a fake article this is.

The article features the byline of Ataturk, and begins with the words, "I shall..." signifying that he wrote it.

It is an "interview" pretending to be an article.

There is no sign of the "Swiss artist & journalist" in Switzerland's records.

There is also no record of the Boston-based news agency that bears the articles"s copyright.

(Boston, as Los Angeles, were and are, Armenian strongholds.)

There is no record of Ataturk meeting a foreign journalist in June, 1926.

The aggressive rhetoric of the article does not match Ataturk's style.

For example, Ataturk would never have degraded Enver Pasha

...as displaying, per the article, criminal ambition."

No biographer of Ataturk has referred to this article.

That is because the article is so obviously phony.

Why would Robert Fisk have ignored all of this solid evidence, assuming he was professional enough to investigate?

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To Be Continued...
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Wednesday, December 8, 2010

3186) Video: WWII German-Americans vs. WWI Ottoman-Armenians

Posted on 9:41 PM by Unknown
dashnakification%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bottoman%2Barmenians © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com The resettlement of WWI Ottoman-Armenians who had been "belligerents de facto" for having "indignantly refused to side with Turkey," as leader Boghos Nubar worded it, has been unjustly made into a "genocide," much as there is no factual proof. . . .

Does a temporary relocation (or imprisonment, in the case of the USA) equal genocide? If so, then the USA has a lot to answer for, with its treatment of WWII German-Americans, as well as other "Axis" Americans, who remained loyal and certainly did not rebel.

This video compares the treatment of "enemy" citizens in the time of the bankrupt "Sick Man" that was fighting for its life, versus the model for democracy and the wealthiest nation in a more modern era, with resources to spare, and with no immediate threat to its survival






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Monday, December 6, 2010

3185) Video: Fact-Check: BBC's The Betrayed Armenian Genocide Film

Posted on 4:05 PM by Unknown
The Betrayed: © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com A reporter from the BBC, Fergal Keane, as well as his Producer, James Miller, engage in a propagandistic sham of a news report, the purpose of which is to affirm the tragic events in WWI Ottoman Turkey as a genocide. They use the most corrupt facts and close their eyes to everything else, outrageously betraying their role as objective journalists. As usual, they totally ignore the vast mass-killing crimes of the Armenians, and any counter-evidence they come across, no matter how impartial or logical, is made sure to be to labeled as denial.

It is not the first time a news organization, even a generally careful one as the BBC,
has engaged in such a destructive form of prejudice. What they have done would have emerged as less harmful if only their propaganda would have been lost to the airwaves. But of course, the young Armenians of YouTube, so absolutely brainwashed and without the capacity to think independently, are quick to regard anything that deals with their beloved obsession as an affirmation, regardless of the truthfulness of the claims. This BBC production in particular has been repeated some half a dozen times on YouTube.

It is time to examine the validity of the claims of "The Betrayed." The examination here is not based upon the shortened versions offered on YouTube, but on the full hour-long program that the BBC has made available on the Internet. No significant claim of the program, as a result, goes unaddressed.

And to think the prejudiced reporter, Fergal Keane, has actually won an OBE award "for his services to journalism." True journalism naturally entails collecting all of the information in order to arrive at a factual conclusion. Instead, Mr. Keane has sought out the most propagandistic sources to make his case, including Hitler's fabricated quote, the hearsay of survivor memories, and -- perhaps the most appalling -- pointing to the Ottoman relocation order as though this order would constitute proof of genocide.






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Sunday, December 5, 2010

3184) Video: Britain's WWI "Armenian Rebels": The IRISH

Posted on 7:19 PM by Unknown
 Britains%2BArmenians-%2BThe%2BIrish © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com The way the Ottoman Empire responded to their rebellious Armenians in World War I has been falsely claimed to amount to a "genocide," for political reasons.

Attacked from all sides in a fight to the death, the Ottomans dealt with their traitorous Armenian community by temporarily relocating them to distant villages, where their population was kept to ten percent or less. Because some were massacred by criminal elements, and most of the ones who died lost their lives to the same causes every Ottoman was suffering from (famine and disease), those with political interests have immorally claimed genocide while lacking the necessary evidence for intent..
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What would any nation have done under the circumstances? The 1916 Irish rebellion in Great Britain was very small scale, given that relatively few Irish were involved, with most apparently appalled that there would be collusion with the enemy (Germany). By contrast, it was the rare Ottoman-Armenian who did not wholeheartedly support the collusion of their Dashnak leaders with the enemy (Russia, Britain and France). In addition, Great Britain was at the historic high point of its power, while the Ottoman Empire was at its absolute weakest.

It is instructive to examine how Great Britain dealt with their WWI "Armenian Rebels," and discover whether the way the British handled the Irish was at all more forgiving or humanitarian





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3183) Documents Critical of Armenia

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armenia © This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com Country is accused of providing weapons to Iran that were later used to kill U.S. troops.

By Bill Kisliuk, bill.kisliuk@latimes.com,
December 3, 2010 Glendale News Press

Revelations that U.S. officials charged Armenia in 2008 with supplying Iran with weapons later used to kill U.S. troops in Iraq were "enormously troubling," said Rep. Adam Schiff, who has been a staunch supporter of Congress officially recognizing the Armenian Genocide.

The charges were described in a cable sent from the U.S. embassy in Yerevan that also showed Americans considered sanctions against Armenia and demanded that leaders there impose greater controls on the movement of weapons
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U.S. and Armenian officials declined to discuss the diplomatic cable, part of a cache of 250,000 documents being made public by the website WikiLeaks. Advocates for strong ties between the United States and Armenia said they hoped and expected the memo would not harm relations between the two nations.

Nonetheless, Schiff, a congressional leader who has long advocated for deeper U.S.-Armenia ties, said the allegation in the published cable "is enormously troubling."

According to the Dec. 24, 2008, memo in the cable, then-Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte sent a strongly worded letter to Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian.

Americans alleged that high-level Armenian officials "facilitated Iran's purchase of rockets and machine guns" in 2003. Four years later, some of the weapons were recovered from a site in Iraq where Shia militants killed one U.S. soldier and wounded six others, according to the cable.

"We value our positive relationship with your government as we explore a range of shared interests, especially an agreement on Nagorno Karabakh and normalization of Armenia's relations with Turkey," Negroponte wrote. "At the same time, we are dismayed by a serious and, indeed, deadly arms re-export case."

Officials declined to comment on the memo or whether Armenia acceded to demands for improved security. However, advocates for Armenia in the United States noted that the U.S. never imposed sanctions.

"No sanctions on aid or trade or anything else were put in place," Aram Hamparian, chairman of the Armenian National Committee of America, said. "That is the real test of the relationship."

Hamparian is among the advocates for a congressional resolution, introduced by Schiff, condemning the Armenian Genocide at the hands of the Ottoman Turks in 1915 — an act of Congress that has faltered under pressure from Turkey.

Hamparian said he doubted the cable would affect the fate of the legislation.

"I would hope that there is nobody in the U.S. government who would hold a human rights issue such as the Armenian Genocide resolution hostage," he said.

Van Krikorian, a spokesman for the Armenian Assembly of America, said Armenia has not run afoul of U.S. economic sanctions against Iran, noting that numerous cables dropped by WikiLeaks touch on diplomacy involving Armenia, Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkey, and that overall this "mosaic" indicates Armenia has been a faithful U.S. ally.

"With the U.S., the bonds are unbreakable. You have so many Armenian Americans and people with family connections all over the place," Krikorian said.

In a statement posted after the cable was leaked, the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan said the cables "are often preliminary and incomplete expressions of foreign policy, and they should not be seen as having standing on their own or as representing U.S. policy."

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Maxime Gauin December 5, 2010

Mister Kisliuk,

Your article on Armenian sales of weapons to Iran is very useful

However, there is a more than questionable sentence:

“Hamparian is among the advocates for a congressional resolution, introduced by Schiff, condemning the Armenian Genocide at the hands of the Ottoman Turks in 1915 — an act of Congress that has faltered under pressure from Turkey.”

The “genocide” label for Armenian case is criticized, not only by Turkey and almost all the Turkish historians who worked on this issue, but also by the majority of Western specialists — I does not include, obviously, the self-proclaimed “scholars” who have no degree in history or in political science, who never set foot in an archive and never produce a single study on Armenian history, but sign petitions sponsored by Armenian nationalist organizations. The list include Roderic H. Davison, Gwynne Dyer, Michael M. Gunter, Jacob C. Hurewitz, Bernard Lewis, Guenter Lewy, Andrew Mango, Robert Mantran, Justin McCarthy, Jeremy Salt, Xavier de Planhol, Norman Stone, Stefano Trinchese and Gilles Veinstein (some quotations here .

To impose “genocide” label, Armenian nationalists used violence, including terrorism, and you should know that very well, since three consuls of Turkey in Los Angeles were assassinated by Armenian terrorists (Mehmet Baydar and his deputy Bahadir Demir on January 27, 1973; Kemal Arıkan on January 28, 1982), a record in the world for the same town; the late professor Stanford Jay Shaw, who taught Turkish history at University of California-Los Angeles from 1968 to 1997, was victim of an attempt of assassination (1977), then of death threats and various assaults (1980’s) and finally of a character assassination (1990’s).

In August of this year, the California Prison Parole Board rejected the demand of terrorist Hampig Sassounian, partially because the Assembly of Turkish American Associations demonstrated the lack of remorse of Mr. Sassounian, and the unconditional support, not to say veneration, of Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA), which you mention in your article, for the anti-Turkish crime perpetrated by Mr. Sassounian. http://www.ataa.org/press/ATAASuccessfullyOpposesParoleforArmenianTerrorist_prl_080610.html For his safety, the lawyer of Turkish embassy David Saltzman, who argued against the demand of release, had to come to the Parole Board in an armored car, with an escort of police.

In hoping to see more balanced accounts in the future,

Maxime Gauin,
Vice-chairman of Confluence France-Turquie

See The Attachment 1,2,3 At The End Of This Post


leny500 December 07, 2010

4bratts1 - Please enlighten us with your "desperate and pathetic" OPINION of why Armenia is landlocked - and perhaps the reason why you feel that you are an expert on the matter.


4bratts1 December 06, 2010

First, I would like to respond to AlenNersisyan comments regarding all those ignorant people making comments critical of Armenia without even knowing where Armenia is on the map, landlocked with genocidal Turkey to its west which has no diplomatic ties with Armenia. And Azerbaijan to its east with whom Armenia just finished a war with to liberate Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) also with a closed border with Armenia. Stating that Armenia has no choice, what a desperate and pathetic excuse.

Another comment that I found very disturbing, that Armenia didn’t not know that those weapons would end up in the hands of the insurgents, woo. There is a big difference between fighting against the terrorist with us, versus selling weapons to Iran to kill American soldiers. Nothing none of you say can change the facts. You can rant and rave about Turkey and all that nonsense, but with these recent developments, it will be many, many decades before America will ever trust Armenia again.

At least we now know the truth behind why Armenia is landlocked, don’t we.


AlenNersisyan December 9, 2010

What part of "Armenia has troops in Iraq" did you not understand? Its obvious now that you dont like Armenians, you're either a turk or a muslim. Armenia is landlocked because its a Christian country surrounded by muslim countries, of which Turkey and Azerbaijan are enemies. The level of your ignorance amazes me.


AlenNersisyan December 5, 2010

For all those ignorant people making comments critical of Armenia with out even knowing where Armenia is on the map...Armenia is a landlocked country with genocidal Turkey to its west which has no diplomatic ties with Armenia and a closed border and Azerbaijan to its east with whom Armenia just finished a war with to liberate Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) also with a closed border with Armenia, above is Georgia and below is Iran, the only 2 counties with an open order with Armenia and the 2 counties which Armenia has no choice but to have friendly ties with. Iran supplies Armenia with gas, so if Armenia sells arms to Iran, its perfectly normal since the 2 counties have normal ties. Armenia DID NOT know that those weapons would end up in the hands of insurgents. You can only be critical of Armenia if they knowingly sold arms. Armenia has troops in Iraq and is an ally of the US, people need to do a little homework before they jump the gun and make ignorant comments.


HarveyPearson December 4, 2010

With respect to the "Documents critical of Armenia" story by Bill Kisliuk (Dec. 3), it is almost as troubling to read in his report that the Armenian government allegedly gave (sold?) weapons to Iran as it was to read in a prior Glendale News-Press article by Veronica Rocha ("Wilson treaty remains revered (Nov. 22) about how Greg Krikorian, president of the Glendale Unified school board, reportedly said to a Western Armenian Heritage Foundation-sponsored, Glendale Central Library audience recently: "We want our land back. It's our land that they (Turkey) stole from us." Because this would go way beyond getting official U.S. government recognition of the Armenian genocide on the record ("Support remains for resolution", Nov. 18). In fact, it instead smacks of being an irredentist exhortation that could ultimately result in Americans getting entangled in yet another far off belligerency--- if not outright war---in yet another part of the world!

SpeakEnglishOrDie December 3, 2010

Revelations that the U.S. government and its missionaries supplied weapons for the Mexican drug cartels, Colombian drug lords, Kosovo Muslim-Albanian, Afghan Mujahedeen(Taliban), and even Saddam Hussein, have been documented after the birth of the so-called United Nations. However, some Aussie computer geek puts out a load of dog crap on the net and the apparent Jew from Kalamazoo, A.K.A., "Pedro Tacobender-Goldfinger" gets all so fearful of the safety of God's chosen people. Maybe those mercenaries down at homeland security can enlist Adam "Less than Zero" Schiff and the good old rabbi "Pedro El Negro" on a secret mission way down under to help circumcise the tazmanian devil. I think the U.S. forces didn't really mind the weapons coming from Iran or anywhere else since they have successfully eradicated Al-Qaeda from Iraq. Normally I wouldn't read Rabbi Pedro(possible mexican) Goldmember's(possibly jew) post and try to be intellectually stimulated and have a zany time of it. As a matter of fact I put in a glass jar and label it "In Case of Suicidal Depression, Break Glass." And as for a last comment for any future racist ideologues in Glendale, in the immortal words of Ice-T and his band Body Count, " We are here, we ain't going nowhere, we are moving right next door to you, mother*#%&."

ritahosepian December 3, 2010

So what? Iran is our friend, of course we should help them. America is the imperialist, not Iran. I dont understand why Americans try to demonize Iran. It is America that is the imperialist state and the leader of all the wars and devastation in the world.

KARLOW December 3, 2010

Wow...we have people throwing rocks when they live in a glass house! I agree that Armenia selling weapons to Iran which were used against our troops is very wrong. But lets not forget that the US gave/sold weapons to the taliban that are being used against our troops right now! I can name a lot of incidents where the US was the one supplying weapons that were used against us! When we findout that a person/country is doing wrong, we need to take actions to correct it. To make comments like "shame on you for supporting for years those Armenian liars and crooks at all cost" is an ignorant comment! To sit behind a computer and be a "keyboard" bully does not fix the problem, but only makes it worse!

As for the other comment "why am I NOT surprised"....I ask why am I NOT surprised that you would make a comment like that! People are poeple...it does not matter the race, color, gender, etc....there is good and bad in everyone! Name me one race, gender, color that has not done wrong!?! Lets all work together to make this world a better place...not just make ignorant comments online!

4bratts1 December 3, 2010

What needs to happen? Is everyone needs to stop making excuses. Selling weapons to kill American Solders is without question proves Armenia’s loyalty is to the terrorists, not America. The only acceptable response is full sanctions and isolation, the same sanctions our country has placed on North Korea and Iran should immediately be applied to Armenia without delay. Including a complete reversal of all monetary aid, trade and travel. It’s time for every American to demand that our representatives in Washington, send Armenia the response they deserve, without delay.

absolutetoolbar December 3, 2010

Armena also has troops helping US in Iraq.

4bratts1 December 3, 2010

A crock of crap

KARLOW December 3, 2010

Wow....people in glass houses should not throw rocks! I agree that Armenia selling weapons to Iran that was used to kill our troops is wrong! Shame on the leaders of Armenia...But lets not forget that we gave/sold weapons to the Taliban that are now being used agains our troops!

To say "shame on you for supporting for years those Armenian liars and crooks" is ignorant! Every country...including the US has done or doing things that are wrong! When we findout that something wrong was done, we should take actions to correct it. Not have keyboard bullies like you just make ignorant comments on a website!

As for the other comment "why am I not surprised"....I ask why am I NOT surprised that you would make a comment like that!

Rabbi Pedro Goldstein AM December 3, 2010

Why am I NOT surprised?


Attachment 1 ( http://www.ataa.org/press/ATAASuccessfullyOpposesParoleforArmenianTerrorist_prl_080610.html)
ATAA Assures California Prison Parole Board
Denies Parole to Armenian Terrorist Sassounian

On August 4, 2010, the California Prison Parole Board denied Armenian terrorist, Hampig Sassounian, parole. The Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA), representing over 500,000 Turkish and Turkic Americans nationwide, participated in the hearing, submitting a Statement in Opposition to the Parole of Sassounian. Click here to read the ATAA's statement and here to read the supporting documents.

The ATAA actively participates in judicial processes to support the conviction and sentencing of terrorists with a view toward achieving complete justice for the victims. ATAA is pleased that Sassounian was denied parole, as he and his followers continue to be a threat to the public. ATAA will appear at Sassounian's next parole hearing in 2013 to make sure that he remains behind bars for life.

Sassounian is serving a life sentence for the racist and political assassination of Turkish Consul General Kemal Arikan on January 28, 1982 in Los Angeles. The first attempt on Mr. Arikan's life occurred on October 6, 1980, when Hampig Sassounian's older brother, Harout Sassounian, fire-bombed the Consul General's home. Harout Sassounian was convicted of the attempted killing. Two years later, Hampig Sassounian and his accomplice Krikor Saliba massacred Mr. Arikan just outside of his residence as he waited in his vehicle at a traffic light. Their reason was that they hate Turks. LAPD captured Sassounian shortly after the killing. Sassounian's father stated on national television that he was glad that a Turk was killed. LAPD searched Sassounian's automobile, seizing a .357 caliber bullet and a one-way airline ticket from Los Angeles to Beirut. LAPD also searched Sassounian's home, where they seized a gun receipt, pistol targets, and a manifesto of "The Armenian Youth Federation." Federal authorities connected Sassounian and Saliba to the Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide (JCAG) terrorist group, which recruited members from the Armenian Youth Federation. JCAG serves as the militant wing of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) political party in Armenia, whose foreign agent in the United States is the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA). ANCA is represented in California by ANC Western Region in Glendale. Hampig Sassounian bears an ARF tattoo on his chest. It should be noted that Sassounian's partner, Saliba, fled to Beirut shortly after the assassination, in response to which Turkish and Israeli intelligence joined efforts to uproot Armenian terrorist camps in Lebanon.

The ATAA's statement was the first appearance of a Turkish American organization at a parole hearing of an Armenian terrorist. In 2000, the ATAA also appeared at the criminal sentencing of Mourad Topalian, the former chairman of ANCA who was convicted of weapons and explosives charges which federal authorities connected to at least four terror attacks on American soil.

On behalf of the ATAA Board of Directors, I thank ATAA Western Region VP Maria Cakırağa for submitting the ATAA's statement on behalf of the citizens of California. I thank ATAA legal intern, Ozlem Eskicioğlu, and research assistant, Duygu Ozcan, for their tireless research and technical support. The LAPD required the provision of bullet-proof vehicles, followed and lead by several secret service vehicles during the trip to San Luis Obispo Prison, indicating the threat level of modern Armenian political violence. Though Sassounian's lawyer, Michael Geragos degraded ATAA at the hearing, Parole Commissioner Peppler expressed that the ATAA's Statement provided a much necessary history of Armenian terrorism and political violence. I take special note here that based on ATAA's information and belief, the Armenian Republic submitted to the Parole Board a statement in support of Hampig Sassounian, including providing him Armenian citizenship and a residence in Armenia. By doing so, the Armenian Republic supported terrorism and undermined rapprochement.

ATAA thanks District Attorney Pat Sequeira and LAPD for standing steadfast against the parole of Hampig Sassounian and Armenian terrorism.

On behalf of Turkish Americans nationwide, ATAA expresses its deepest condolences and respects to Mrs. Arikan and her family for their loss and for their sacrifices. We have not forgotten you. You will always be in our hearts.

Respectfully submitted,

Gunay Evinch
President
Assembly of Turkish American Associations


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3182) Video: Treatment of Ottoman-Armenians vs. Post-WWII German Civilians

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 Treatment%2Bof%2BArmenians© This content Mirrored From  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com How did the powerful Allies of WWII treat a suspect population in their postwar occupation of Germany?

The homelands of the Americans, British, Soviets and French were no longer or never threatened. Were these Allies more tolerant than the endangered Ottomans, a bankrupt nation that was in a fight for its very existence?

In this video, Ottoman-Armenians, a community that betrayed its Ottoman nation by siding with the enemies of their nation, will be placed in the role of postwar German rebels and civilians, to see how much better they would have fared under the more modern, wealthier and far less desperate Allies.

This will be a fitting comparison in another respect, given how European-Armenians wholeheartedly joined the Third Reich, had themselves declared as fellow Aryans, and formed Nazi Armenian battalions that fought side by side with the Wehrmacht . .




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